SCPrompt - SC on Steroids (7, 8, 10, 2k8+) 26/3/20

JDaus · Post by **JDaus** » 2010-06-29 07:15

BUG #1
-sc_prompt no longer working at all (appears I completely broke it when trying to fix for existing service ...

think I know where fault lies, will test & upload when time

forumator · Post by **forumator** » 2010-06-29 07:23

Writing my first post to say big thanks to JDaus for continuing to work on such an awesome app...perfect for what I need, works good + clean simple interface. I have a few newbie questions as well, maybe somebody can help clarify for me...

1) Is it possible to hide the "service mode" option from the GUI, but still retain the functionality under the hood? I read a post about this on the VNC2ME forums but the proposed solution did not work for me, it just unchecked the box

2) I only have one Logo.jpg I need for the GUI, but whenever I try to build the exe it says I need Logo0.jpg, Logo1.jpg, and Logo2.jpg. I may be doing something wrong here or it may be a bug, since I read in some older patch notes that it should be possible to use only Logo.jpg /shrug

3) Probably most important of these little issues, for my purposes, is whether it's possible to have a query window popup on the viewer, that way the request can be denied/ignored. I know how to do this for a normal VNC connection, in the server settings, but is it possible in a reverse VNC connection such as SC? EDIT>>>So it seems that there is a sc_prompt command that would do just this...but where do I enter the command when building the executable, one of the .ini files perhaps?

4) I want to use encryption of some sort, so if there's any easy to read links comparing SSH vs DSM and how to implement either of them, would be most grateful

EDIT>>>After some more reading, looks like secureVNCplugin will do the trick...anybody have issues with this and SCprompt2009?

That's all I got, even if none of these questions are answered I am glad this program is being worked on, love it.

Oh and big props to kmruss for his feedback, his posts have been very enlightening!

JDaus · Post by **JDaus** » 2010-06-29 13:08

forumator wrote:Writing my first post to say big thanks to JDaus for continuing to work on such an awesome app...perfect for what I need, works good + clean simple interface.

your welcome ... i like to hear it is useful to some

forumator wrote:1) Is it possible to hide the "service mode" option from the GUI, but still retain the functionality under the hood? I read a post about this on the VNC2ME forums but the proposed solution did not work for me, it just unchecked the box

The thought never crossed my mind that this may even be wanted by some people ... thats something that i will add to my NEW FEATURE REQUEST SYSTEM

forumator wrote:2) I only have one Logo.jpg I need for the GUI, but whenever I try to build the exe it says I need Logo0.jpg, Logo1.jpg, and Logo2.jpg. I may be doing something wrong here or it may be a bug, since I read in some older patch notes that it should be possible to use only Logo.jpg /shrug

if your using the batch files, then manual editing is required when creating the IExpress version ... the builder should work fine for IExpress & 7zip, and the 7zip batch version should be fine also ...

forumator wrote:3) Probably most important of these little issues, for my purposes, is whether it's possible to have a query window popup on the viewer, that way the request can be denied/ignored. I know how to do this for a normal VNC connection, in the server settings, but is it possible in a reverse VNC connection such as SC? EDIT>>>So it seems that there is a sc_prompt command that would do just this...but where do I enter the command when building the executable, one of the .ini files perhaps?

it is meant to be working ... but it is a BUG IN SCPROMPT 0.10.6.40 and should be fixed on the next release ... watch this space over the coming days (i hope) ...

forumator wrote:4) I want to use encryption of some sort, so if there's any easy to read links comparing SSH vs DSM and how to implement either of them, would be most grateful EDIT>>>After some more reading, looks like secureVNCplugin will do the trick...anybody have issues with this and SCprompt2009?

if it works fine with UVNC server 1.0.8.2 (and by all accounts it does) then should be fine with scprompt, as thats all it uses for connection ...

forumator wrote:Oh and big props to kmruss for his feedback, his posts have been very enlightening!

Thanks for noticing him also, as he is doing a great job at getting some sort of sense into my ranbling thoughts & updates ... he deserves big props

JDaus · Post by **JDaus** » 2010-06-29 13:18

FlySpray has been added to the VNC2Me Website, this should assist in squashing any bugs, and addressing which features get priority into the future (all tasks can be voted on, to assist the dev team to address which features are required by more people (and hence should get a higher priority for inclusion)

I will look at Adding a dedicated section for SCPrompt to the vnc2me website, or simply move it to its own domain / sub-domain ... just to save (possible) confusion in the future.

any thoughts / comments would be good

B · Post by B » 2010-06-29 14:39

JDaus wrote:
B wrote:That build is using UVNC 1.0.8.2 which has broken multiple monitor support and broken repeater functionality. Can I just substitute 1.0.8.0 manually before running the creator?
When the sc_prompt feature was added to the UVNC server, rudi figured that it would only be used in usermode, therefore it only shows the screen of the user that has runs winvnc. in the case of the servicemode, this is a system account, which doesn't have a screen.

i can substitute the server that was updated by pgmoney, which allows for switching of the screen to the current active desktop, but the way i use existing services means that you would still have this problem if the client already has UVNC server installed.

I'm not sure I follow you here. The big bug in 1.0.8.2, for me, is the broken repeater functionality. The monitor support issue runs a distant second. (On a side note, SCPrompt can't simply quiesce an existing service instead of trying to use it?)

More to the point for me, will the latest editions of SCPrompt still use UltraVNC 1.0.8.2, meaning they effectively can't be used with a repeater? (And I can't fix it by just putting the Winvnc.exe from 1.0.8.0 in the scprompt subfolder prior to a build?)

forumator · Post by **forumator** » 2010-06-29 16:58

JDaus wrote:The thought never crossed my mind that this may even be wanted by some people ... thats something that i will add to my NEW FEATURE REQUEST SYSTEM

Yeah it seems to confuse a few of my home users (but then most things do) so just wondering if it was an easy fix, not worth a lot of effort...but just to be clear, I'm just asking about removing the gui button, not removing the functionality, I still want it to run in service mode by default of course.

JDaus wrote:if your using the batch files, then manual editing is required when creating the IExpress version ... the builder should work fine for IExpress & 7zip, and the 7zip batch version should be fine also ...

Ah should have tried that with newest release, I had been using the batch iexpress since the builder was giving errors before.

JDaus wrote:it is meant to be working ... but it is a BUG IN SCPROMPT 0.10.6.40 and should be fixed on the next release ... watch this space over the coming days (i hope) ...

I see, but I must be doing something wrong because in previous versions I never got the prompt either, the viewer would always just automatically open the connection.

Thanks for the responses, and your time of course

Oh and having a page dedicated to this app would help it get some more exposure I think, since as it is now it's kind of hidden away. More people should know about this app

marcgistel · Post by **marcgistel** » 2010-07-01 08:21

hi JD, hi others

as I wrote JD some days ago I am able to help this project in the next few months. With this post I want to offer my time and knowledge for this project. If someone has something to do or where I can help or to find the reason of a bug or something please tell it to me. I will finish tomorrow my education as programmer. So I think I can help the project.
Let me know where to help!

best regards
marc

brukernavn32 · Post by **brukernavn32** » 2010-07-04 10:35

Hi

Thanks for keeping this project alive.

Here are my findings with the SCPrompt2010_roll-your-own_0.10.6.40 package:

Language support - Missing variables for language file in this code:
TrayTip("SCPrompt", "Downloading Configuration File", 30)
Might scare end user if program is renamed.
For the same reason the About dialog would be nice to be able to translate.

Logo: In Radio mode click Manual and then click any of the radio buttons.
If the associated Logo(x) file is bigger than 196x181 it will no
longer scale down and the object order will put the image over
the radio buttons so they stop responding to mouse click.
Workaround is easy. Just scale images properly to 196x181.[/img]

brukernavn32 · Post by **brukernavn32** » 2010-07-23 12:51

Ok, so I ended up working my way though the source code extracted from the resource file added to the scprompt.exe. Although all comment are removed and complete project is in one file it is a great way to distribute the source - thanks.

Here is a few lines of code that are added to my version. They will disable controls in the window when user click Connect. Also I've comment out code that access the file system unnecessary. ie the search for vhook driver that is not implemented. Makes the exe file more acceptable to the Anubis scanner.

Code: Select all

		Case $subitem
			$V2M_EventDisplay = V2M_EventLog("GUI - Connecting", $V2M_EventDisplay, "1")
			$V2M_Status[11] = 1
			GUICtrlSetState($tcpipitem, $GUI_DISABLE)
			GUICtrlSetState($portitem, $GUI_DISABLE)
			GUICtrlSetState($subitem, $GUI_DISABLE)			
			GUICtrlSetState($YTS_AdminCheckbox, $GUI_DISABLE)	
			GUISetState(@SW_MINIMIZE, $LLF_GUI)

forumator · Post by **forumator** » 2010-08-02 17:47

Anyone know if JDaus ever put up a new version? He mentioned a fix to the scprompt bug but looks like it hasn't been updated for a month or so

JDaus · Post by **JDaus** » 2010-08-21 03:12

Update FINALLY released ...

JDaus wrote:BUG #1
-sc_prompt no longer working at all

Fixed in version 0.10.8.41

brukernavn32 wrote:Language support - Missing variables for language file

Fixed in version 0.10.8.41

brukernavn32 wrote:Logo: In Radio mode click Manual and then click any of the radio buttons.

should be fixed in version 0.10.8.41. If not, please let me know what OS your seeing this on still

brukernavn32 wrote:For the same reason the About dialog would be nice to be able to translate.

Will add this to the feature requests list ...

Edit ...
Added link to download
Added more details

JDaus · Post by **JDaus** » 2010-08-22 00:05

B wrote:I'm not sure I follow you here. The big bug in 1.0.8.2, for me, is the broken repeater functionality. The monitor support issue runs a distant second. (On a side note, SCPrompt can't simply quiesce an existing service instead of trying to use it?)

More to the point for me, will the latest editions of SCPrompt still use UltraVNC 1.0.8.2, meaning they effectively can't be used with a repeater? (And I can't fix it by just putting the Winvnc.exe from 1.0.8.0 in the scprompt subfolder prior to a build?)

Hi B ... sorry for the none reply ...

you should be able to just swap 1.0.8.0 or a pgmoney custom version into scprompt ... that was the whole idea of scprompt in the first place... that when an updated server version was released, it could be used right away with the scprompt app, just by swapping the winvnc.exe and rebuilding ...

i believe all commandlines are the same between the two versions ... so i have not been too worried about testing with version 1.0.8.0 ... but if you find a specific problem while using that version, please let me know, and i will try to get it working for you.

B · Post by B » 2010-08-23 16:30

Oh, good! I really wasn't clear whether it was intended for "drop ins" like that. Thanks.

sruf · Post by **sruf** » 2010-08-25 12:58

hi there,

first of all, thanks for your work! it is great to have such a nice tool for use!

i have just one question:

is it possible to use scprompt on a win 7-pc without admin-rights?

JDaus · Post by **JDaus** » 2010-08-26 10:31

sruf wrote:is it possible to use scprompt on a win 7-pc without admin-rights?

yes, but it will not work as good as it will being run as admin.

you need to use iexpress when building, as 7z needs admin rights to extract

forumator · Post by **forumator** » 2010-09-08 03:20

thanks JDaus for the update! =]

tsume · Post by **tsume** » 2010-09-09 05:22

stupid question... is there a way to use this without disabling Aero? I edited the uvnc ini thing, and aero still gets disabled even though the box is not checked in the admin properties when its running. I think it is the scprompt that's disabling it and not winvnc but im not sure.

jeffik · Post by **jeffik** » 2010-09-10 22:14

Hello All. I used to use ultravnc sc a few years ago, then i started using teamviewer. Last week they started limiting my sessions to 5 minutes then kicked me out. They want $700 for a subscription, so it's time to figure out how to to use scprompt. I have managed to download and unzip the file and create the scprompt.exe. So I am trying to understand how to make it work. Do i send the scrompt.exe file to the other person? Then what do I need to run to accept the connection on my end? This is how i remember when I used the old version. Now I am running windows 7 64 bit. I read that there might be a manual, or documentation as to how to set this up. If somebody can help me figure it out once I i will write the user docmentatioin...
Thank you in advance. You guys have all done a great job.

JDaus · Post by **JDaus** » 2010-09-10 23:57

tsume wrote:is there a way to use this without disabling Aero?

Leaving Aero running will slow down VNC working to a refresh taking possibly ten seconds ... but you should be able to disable it by setting up the scprompt.ini and the ultravnc.ini ... cannot remember the last time i tested NOT disabling aero ... so let me know if it still not working properly.

try downloading debug viewer from sysinternals (now microsoft) ... it should say if it is disabling aero or not ... try it and let me know

jeffik wrote:They (teamviewer) want $700 for a subscription, so it's time to figure out how to to use scprompt.

OUCH ... thats a good enough reason ...

ok, here is a bare bones to getting the scprompt working on a local machine.

1) setup scprompt to connect to localhost (or 127.0.0.1)
2) run UVNC viewer in listen mode
3) run scprompt without building (scprompt/scprompt.exe) - this allows you to run, change settings, re-run without building

this should allow you to test that your viewer is recieving scprompt connection, and check that things work locally without having to setup port forwarding and all that ...
then:

4)Find your External IP address or setup dyndns.org account (or similar) and use their free name>IP address service.
5) Build SCPrompt using above address
6) port forward 5500 (by default) to your local computer that you want viewer running on (see portforward.com for easy instructions)
7) get a local computer or laptop directly connected to the internet (using another internet connection method to your main one). this allows you to work out whats wrong, without having to rely on someone else.
8) run scprompt on second PC, making sure its using address from step 4.

thats a quick and nasty way of getting it running ... make sure you can get it running on your local PC first, then step out from there ...

documentation would be greatfully accepted ... :D

jeffik · Post by **jeffik** » 2010-09-11 11:25

JDaus, thanks for the fast reply and information. I will try it today. I re read the readme after I posted the first message and I started to see how to do it, but your extra comments helped.

Many thanks for the great work you have don.

Oh, I did try to register at vnc2me.org, but never got the confirmation email.

JDaus · Post by **JDaus** » 2010-09-11 13:32

JDaus wrote:Update FINALLY released ...

Can i assume from the lack of negative feedback, that the latest SCPrompt is a stable release ???

I would like to update the front page and the downloads section of the vnc2me site if this is the case ...

Zyxyx · Post by **Zyxyx** » 2010-09-12 22:39

On Windows 7 (32 bits / 64 bits) :

When SCPrompt is built with Build_SCPrompt.exe and the IExpress option, there is an error message when double clicking on the resulting scprompt_0.10.8.41_2010-09-xx_xx-xx-xx.exe

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SCPrompt Remote Desktop Control
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Erreur de crÃ©ation du processus <C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Local\Temp\IXP000.TMP\scprompt.exe>. Raison : Lâ€™opÃ©ration demandÃ©e nÃ©cessite une Ã©lÃ©vation.

> In english : The requested operation requires elevation.

Is there a way to avoid this error message without being forced to run SCPrompt as an Administrator.

Thank you for this great (and still updated...) app !

Zyxyx

tsume · Post by **tsume** » 2010-09-13 04:57

Zyxyx wrote:On Windows 7 (32 bits / 64 bits) :

When SCPrompt is built with Build_SCPrompt.exe and the IExpress option, there is an error message when double clicking on the resulting scprompt_0.10.8.41_2010-09-xx_xx-xx-xx.exe

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SCPrompt Remote Desktop Control
---------------------------
Erreur de crÃ©ation du processus <C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Local\Temp\IXP000.TMP\scprompt.exe>. Raison : Lâ€™opÃ©ration demandÃ©e nÃ©cessite une Ã©lÃ©vation.

> In english : The requested operation requires elevation.

Is there a way to avoid this error message without being forced to run SCPrompt as an Administrator.

Thank you for this great (and still updated...) app !

Zyxyx

Am experiencing the same issue

Do not like having to right click and run as admin

Frontier · Post by **Frontier** » 2010-09-14 09:11

I have just tried the latest alpha, thanks for releasing it to us

When I start a newly built .exe file, I get a message in my tray saying "app_start_title". I have tried setting that entry in various ini-files, nothing helped. Where do I set that 1?

Also, I have gotten 2 new large buttons, saying "connect" and "exit". I used to be able to set the text in those...

Zyxyx · Post by **Zyxyx** » 2010-09-14 10:09

Other problem with the Button GUI (same used for my previous bug report) :

If the manual option is selected when building the app, the Manual button is there but it's not possible to enter anything in the 'Support address' and 'Port' fields... so it's not working

The 'UsePredefined' option in the settings manager doesn't change anything.

It's almost there, thank you for your work.

Zyxyx

Frontier · Post by **Frontier** » 2010-09-16 05:31

Something else that I have noticed: if one lets the end-user click "service mode", the only way of ending the session is to go to services on the user's computer and stop the service. If one selects "uninstall service", it still reappears...

JDaus · Post by **JDaus** » 2010-09-16 09:37

Zyxyx wrote:On Windows 7 (32 bits / 64 bits) :

When SCPrompt is built with Build_SCPrompt.exe and the IExpress option, there is an error message when double clicking on the resulting scprompt_0.10.8.41_2010-09-xx_xx-xx-xx.exe
...
The requested operation requires elevation.

So its the builder thats having the problem is it ??? i will add the #requireadmin option when win_7 is detected ... that should then run as admin each time its run ...

Frontier wrote:When I start a newly built .exe file, I get a message in my tray saying "app_start_title".

I have gotten 2 new large buttons, saying "connect" and "exit". I used to be able to set the text in those...

What GUI version are you using ? what language is your system default ?

Zyxyx wrote:Other problem with the Button GUI (same used for my previous bug report) :

If the manual option is selected when building the app, the Manual button is there but it's not possible to enter anything in the 'Support address' and 'Port' fields... so it's not working

Ah! ... i didn't develop the button GUI ... so i guess it has some bugs with some of the latest changes ... i will take a look

Frontier wrote:if one lets the end-user click "service mode", the only way of ending the session is to go to services on the user's computer and stop the service. If one selects "uninstall service", it still reappears...

Thats using the tools menu from the tray icon that isn't working ??? is that right ???

JDaus wrote:Can i assume from the lack of negative feedback, that the latest SCPrompt is a stable release ???

Guess not quite yet ...

maybe next release

Zyxyx · Post by **Zyxyx** » 2010-09-16 11:58

JDaus wrote:So, its the builder thats having the problem is it ??? i will add the #requireadmin option when win_7 is detected ... that should then run as admin each time its run ...

I always start the builder as Administrator, so there should not be any problem when building the app (I do it with the IExpress option).

But the resulting scprompt_0.10.8.41_2010-09-xx_xx-xx-xx.exe gives the error when started (only tested on Win 7 32 and 64 bits) on the computer I want to control.

The people I want to assist remotely have to right click the .exe and run it as Admin... if they can. With this version, it's impossible to start the program if the user doesn't have admin rights on his computer.

I really hope you will soon find some of your precious time to fix these "little" problems remaining in your otherwise great piece of software.

In the meantime, I will try with another GUI and see if it works better.

Thank you,

Zyxyx

JDaus · Post by **JDaus** » 2010-09-16 23:09

Zyxyx wrote:the resulting scprompt_0.10.8.41_2010-09-xx_xx-xx-xx.exe gives the error when started (only tested on Win 7 32 and 64 bits) on the computer I want to control.

Ah ... i see ... i will try to work out why this is, if its related to iexpress or an application thing ... off to work now ... will try to look at it tonight ... also i made the builder require admin from vista up (win_7 & win2008 included)

hope that works for most people ... i figure if your building a remote support app, you should have local admin ...

Elroy · Post by **Elroy** » 2010-09-23 11:40

I love SCPrompt and it works almost perfectly. Unfortunately, there are 2 situations that cause me grief:

1. The person didn't listen and restarted their computer without first exiting SCPrompt, thus leaving the vnc service installed with no easy way to get rid of it. And the IExpress built executable deletes all files except winvnc.exe, so upon every system boot after that, they get warned about the dangers of not having set a password for vnc. Also, now SCPrompt tries to use this existing copy of winvnc.exe which doesn't have an ultravnc.ini, so it doesn't behave correctly.

2. The person has an old buggy version of uvnc installed, so SCPrompt uses the existing service and various problems occur. Since they usually don't know enough about computers to tell me there is an existing uvnc installation and talking them through figuring this out and uninstalling it takes way too long, I use the same solution as for (1).

My current solution:

a) Painstakingly talk them through starting Command Prompt as Administrator.
b) After many tries, get them successfully type the following commands:

sc stop uvnc_service
sc delete uvnc_service

I tried putting these commands in a batch file and getting them to download and run it, but various antivirus/internet security apps make this a nightmare.

A great solution would be to have a context/popup menu appear when they right click anywhere in the SCPrompt window. In this menu would be a single item "Delete existing uvnc_service", which would execute sc stop and delete commands.

I like the idea of the right click as opposed to a button, 'cause they won't know it's there unless I tell them, so they won't be asking questions about it or clicking it when they shouldn't.

Ciao,
Elroy

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